Peugeot 106 Rallye white and Kenwood black

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Peugeot 106 Rallye white and Kenwood black

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Hi to all,

I registered this forum ~ a week ago, and it is time to intoduce myself and my 106. Well I am a 50+ years old electrical engineer. My first own car was a 309Gl with 1.1 engine. I purchased that at 1994 in Genoa Italy where I stayed one year. A few years later it was stolen... Than when my second daughter was born we needed a car, so I purchased a 10 years old 205 1.9 GTI. A real family car... :D

Later I used company cars, I sold the GTI. That was a rational but probably a bad decision.

10 years ago I found an ad someone was selling a 106 S1 Rallye for ~300Eur. I purchased it for amateur racing purposes. All the internal parts were already removed, and it was already withdrawn from circulation. I gave it to a Peugeot specialist mechanic asking him to prepare for race at the lowest possible budget. The engine was checked, timing belt was replaced and the rear suspenson needle bearings were replaced. Nothing for beauty only for safety. As driver seat was already remobved by the previous owner, I put a 106 seat from a 1.1 model. I went for some slalom race with this "setup". The racing seat, quick rack, better shock absorbers were missing. And the car was not as strong as I expected but without the possibility to compare it with an other 106 Rallye it was just a feeling. Below 5000 rpm it was really weak. Later I spent some time to check the engine. I read the error code and there were two errors: knocking sensor and lambda sensor. I spent about 2 hours to find where the knocking sensor is located when I realized it is missing. So I purchased and installed one. I tried the car, but I felt not much changes. During a race the exhaust pipe was broken, and I took it to the service and I asked to install a second lambda connection nut also. I installed a wide band lambda sensor, and logged it's output. I take a few laps on a small track, and I realised that the lambda is ~0.7-0.8. It means too much fuel, and al lower rpm the engine was almost suffocated into gasoline. The ECU was tuned by a chip, but not properly...
At first I selected a "hardware" soluion instead of "software": I mixed the gasoline with ethanol. I set the lambda level to ~0.9, and the engine started to live. Later I managed to download the original eprom contents of the 106 Rallye ECU, and I flashed it to a new eprom. So I "downgraded" the motor to factory level.
I added two pictures from 2016-17, and other two showing the actual condition :(.

To be continued with Kenwood story...
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Re: Peugeot 106 Rallye white and Kenwood black

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And the Kenwood...

I purchased it 3 years ago in terrible condition.I supposed it is a simple 106 Rallye. It was equipped with XSI wheels, but I got 5 pcs of Michelin rims. I just realized a few days ago, that those rims are for S2 Rallye... I was a little upset seeing it's dashboard, because the rpm meter turns red at 6750rpm. Now thanks to AgAdOu I realised it is a Kenwood edition, and the dashboard is original. My plan is to restore it to near new condition. Here are some pictures of the car when I purchased:
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6.jpg (76.41 Kio) Vu 2134 fois
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3.jpg (51.04 Kio) Vu 2134 fois
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2.jpg (55.37 Kio) Vu 2134 fois

And here some from 2007, when the car was imported to Hungary:
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2007_10_3.jpg (37.33 Kio) Vu 2134 fois
2007_10_2.jpg
2007_10_2.jpg (45.4 Kio) Vu 2134 fois
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2007_10.jpg (37.94 Kio) Vu 2134 fois

I hope sooner or later it will look similar again!
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Re: Peugeot 106 Rallye white and Kenwood black

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Hello hello,

and many thanks for introduce yourself !!

quick question, you try to understand something, this is an electric batterie in place of you passager seat? or a electric tools for you problem with the lambda?

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sorry for my english !!
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That is "kers like" mild hybrid system. It gives extra 20-25 electric HP for short period. We developed it for professional racing purposes, and I installed the prototype into my hobby car for testing. According to the log of RaceChrono the acceleration in 3rd gear from 87km/h to 115km/h was reduced by a second. (4.3s without additional power, and 3.3s using extra electric power).
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wahou !!!

perfect for people thinking that the 1.3 engine is to lazy before 4500Rpm
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Re: Peugeot 106 Rallye white and Kenwood black

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Thanks for introducing your cars !

It's a new Kenwood discovered, and this one traveled a lot ! :D

I didn't know this kind of extra power, any idea of the cost ?
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~10kEur. Not cheap... But I am just testing, did not have to pay for it. :D
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Recently I have an issue with the white Rallye. I managed to "bake" the engine. We disassembled and found that one bearing was melt. The crankshaft is out of dimension by ~ half millimeter on the position of the melt bearing (2nd or 3rd cylinder). All other pin diameters are within tolerance. We found a local company who can put back material on the pin by laser welding. Does anyone have experience with repaired crankshaft? Is it safe?

Unfortunately we did not find 1.3 crankshaft. If we cannot repair it properly, we may install a 1360ccm crankshaft. That case we need incraese the thickness of head gasket by 2 mm to avoid too high compression ratio. My idea is to bond a 2 mm head gasket shaped aluminium plate to the bottom cylinder head. Did anyone try it before?

I tried to find related posts, but as I cannot speak france it is difficult for me.
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evsp a écrit : 13 oct. 2024, 21:25 ~10kEur. Not cheap... But I am just testing, did not have to pay for it. :D
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I was seeking for the dimensions of connecting rods in TU engines, and I found some info on https://www.peugeot206cc.co.uk/repair-206/
Acording to this info, the "C dimension of the connecting rod used in TU5 engines are the same as the one in TU2J2. (133,5mm) However in my motor that dimension is 126.8mm. So I am confused.

Could anyone check it?
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J'ai ce tableau si ça peut te rendre service
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evsp a écrit : 14 oct. 2024, 14:40 I was seeking for the dimensions of connecting rods in TU engines, and I found some info on https://www.peugeot206cc.co.uk/repair-206/
Acording to this info, the "C dimension of the connecting rod used in TU5 engines are the same as the one in TU2J2. (133,5mm) However in my motor that dimension is 126.8mm. So I am confused.

Could anyone check it?
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XSi 1.4 rods + XSi 1.4 pistons ?
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"XSi 1.4 rods + XSi 1.4 pistons?"
How can I check it?
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You've already measured rods (126 ==> not TU2J2/TU5J2/TU5JP rods).

And pistons might be XSi ones with correct height to fit the bottom engine height.
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